Me, a Threat?

To: Dave Winer <dave@userland.com>
From: "David A. Bayly" <dbayly@udena.ch>
Subject: Re: Re Winerlog
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Bcc: Eveline Frei <efrei@udena.ch>
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Threaten you? You tell me I have no integrity and challenged me to decloak and I tell you the literal, exact truth and that threatens you? You silly sod, how can I possibly threaten you, I'm half a world away from you physically, you are the one with the high visibility web site. You're a millionaire, I'm broke because I bet on being a Frontier developer and that has not, to put it mildly, worked out well.

As far as working with Userland, any lack of success is not for want of trying on my part. If you really look back through the archives; you will see I started politely posting bugs reports as they came up. It was the lack of response that turned me to sarcasm and irony, as it has many other Frontier developers. Most of those have departed for greener pastures, or perhaps you haven't noticed. I don't have any problems working with a lot of other developers, whereas you have a history of driving developers away.

What do you call someone who feels threatened when it isn't appropriate? Paranoid?

If I'm pushed I push back, it's the only way to avoid being overrun by bullies. You are acting like the worst kind of bully and you got your facts wrong. How about backing down gracefully for once and apologising? Or, if you can't manage that, go pick on someone your own size. You picked a fight, don't be surprised if I don't just cave in.

So show me a url or back down.

Very typical. You threaten me all the time. If you wanted to get some work done, you'd do it differently. Dave

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From: "David A. Bayly" <dbayly@udena.ch> To: Dave Winer <dave@userland.com> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 11:10 AM Subject: Re: Re Winerlog

> Is this some more of your "big lie' technique? Do you suppose that > because you don't like me that you can smear some mud and not get > 'push-back" as you call it. Show me a url or shut up. > > My public comments have all been about getting my bugs fixed. Until > now, I refrained from making personal attacks because I don't know > you or care to. All I want is that as an officer of Userland you > honour your contract to fix reported bugs in a timely manner, > something the company has signally failed to do. You've opted to > take bug report - bug reporting with fixes , for Christ sakes - as a > personal affront. You've been signally rude to me and people I > respect; you've labelled me as pirate without any basis for doing > so. And now you accuse me of being sneaky and cowardly, angry and > bitter all at once. > > I bet the assembled respectful audience are going to be glad that > I'm so cowed by your accusations that I publish them for all to see. > I hope you don't expect me to slink off into the darkness whence I > came, because I'm not about to. I'm not ashamed of anything I've done > since I've been using Frontier and nothing you say will change that. > I have, however, come to regret spending so much effort on a product > whose take-up has been so hamstrung by the irrational antics of its > CEO. > > Recall a lesson from history, that people who blather about > integrity and demand respect are generally those who have the least > of either. It would be a pity if you were to be remembered that way. > > This exchange posted for your delectation, as promised , linked from > my news page <http://www.baylys.com:8080/> > > > > >I have no idea why you do what you do. But I've seen you in action over a > >few years. You're the first to throw the bricks. And you do it in a sneaky > >cowardly way. You didn't cover your tracks, so you're out of the closet. You > >can't get back in once you're out. ;> > > > >Anyway -- I was surprised to see your picture. I imagined you to be a > >brilliant but insecure 20-something, anxious to prove his place by hurting > >someone else. What a surprise to find out that you're in your 50's maybe > >even 60's -- a person who by now should have enough wisdom to know that > >sometimes you're wrong. > > > >Changed my whole idea of who you are. I feel very sorry for you David, > >whoever hurt you when you were younger must have really done a number on you > >to make you so inhuman, so bitter, so pointlessly angry. > > > >Dave > > > > > > > >----- Original Message --

> >From: "David A. Bayly" <dbayly@udena.ch> > >To: Dave Winer <dave@userland.com> > >Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 9:24 AM > >Subject: Re: Re Winerlog > > > > > >> Dave, > >> > >> I have no idea what you are talking about, send me a a url if you > >> have something to show. > >> > >> But think about it. I have my own website , it has my opinion of > >> your dealings with me on record and they aren't exactly > >> complimentary. Why would I need to play games with a parody website? > >> And then post messages about its demise on script mediran list under > >> my own -constant-for-the-last-five-years email address. Give me a > >> break. When I write a satire of you it will be a lot funnier than > >> winerlog has even been, at least since the founder gave up on it. > >> > >> > >> > >> >David, I read the archives of the Zaphod list before it was shuttered. > >You > >> >didn't cover your tracks very well, if at all. Dave > >> > > >> > > >> >----- Original Message --

> >> >From: "David A. Bayly" <dbayly@udena.ch> > >> >To: Dave Winer <dave@userland.com> > >> >Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 9:06 AM > >> >Subject: Re: Re Winerlog > >> > > >> > > >> >> Dave, > >> >> > >> >> You lost me. For one, I have nothing to do with winerlog and never > >> >> have had - except that I read it from time to time and I've been > >> >> happy to have my public utterances pointed at from the site. I'm not > >> >> shy about saying that I thought it had an important free speech > >> >> function by virtue of existing on edithipage.com , but that's it.. > >> >> For two, my website has my credentials - even my picture, I know you > >> >> know about it because you have objected to some of its contents. > > > >> > >> >> So if you think I'm part of some conspiracy, think again, I'm a > >> >> working stiff. and don't have the luxury of wasting time on such > > > >> activities When I do have something to say about you or Userland it > >> >> is on the matter of support for the subscription licence I paid > >> >> serious money for. There's plenty of that on record, both on and off > >> >> my site. > >> >> > >> >> As I told you last time you emailed with me, all correspondence from > >> >> Userland officers to me was liable to be posted on my website. Look > >> >> for this exchange there soon. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >A suggestion if you want to participate in a discussion of integrity. > >> >> > > >> >> >1. Decloak. Say who you are. You can't possibly speak with any > >integrity > >> >if > >> >> >you don't use your real names, and tell readers something about > >> >yourselves. > >> >> > > >> >> >Dave > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> > >> >> - David Bayly. Programmer and digest reader. dbayly at udena > >dot > >> >ch > >> >> Digest Readers do it once a day. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> - David Bayly. Programmer and digest reader. dbayly at udena dot > >ch > >> Digest Readers do it once a day. > > > -- >